(Suggestion) Revive XP and Apothecary tweaks

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(Suggestion) Revive XP and Apothecary tweaks

Postby LadderGoat » Fri 16 Aug, 2019 8:51 am

Hello Chaps and Chappettes (I realise that's not a word),

Just wondered what your thoughts were on the following points:-

Commander XP tweaks:

- I was thinking that perhaps the XP gained for reviving allies should be completely removed? or at least drastically reduced? I think it's way too much of a bonus personally for reviving an allied commander.

- I think that the XP for killing an enemy commander should be what grants you a fairly hefty XP boost.

- I'm a bit wary that this could pose an unfair advantage for heroes that are particularly good at killing heros over, say, support heroes. Perhaps the XP gained for reviving can remain on some of the "Support" type heroes?

- Another suggestion was to potentially debuff the fallen commander for a period of time or even a slight xp loss but I worry that might make it too much of a punish, particularly if the player is losing already.

SM Tweaks:

- Just a couple of small things here, quite controversial really. I don't think the Techmarine should have gotten that Melee option. I actually think what needs to happen is a buff for the Apothecary axe and the Apo should have been granted the energy shield.

- I think an energy shield for the Apothecary could work, I also think the damage of the Axe needs to increase as it's so slow.

- Perhaps the Axe could be buffed in the form of providing the apothecary some sort of knockback resistance? For me the obvious choice seems to be the storm bolter and that makes me sad :(

Sorry about the essay, keen to hear what people think.

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Re: (Suggestion) Revive XP and Apothecary tweaks

Postby Impregnable » Fri 16 Aug, 2019 10:38 am

I stated this many times over and over but since not all new people know about these balancing principles, I got to remind them.
- 1v1 takes absolute priority over team games in balancing. Team game and 1v1 both share same units, factions and skills etc. There is no way to change for one mode of game and not affect the other cause all of aspects are shared. Elite Mod is a 1v1 balance mod. When a change for balance is made, it should be due to 1v1 reasons not teams. Team game related change can only be done if the change has either little or no impact on 1v1. Hero revival EXP has 0 impact on 1v1 so can be discussed purely on team game terms. Units that are largely not seen or are very niche in 1v1 can be discussed in team game terms cause changing them has minimal impact on 1v1. Any other cases that are not like former two, cannot be touched for team game reasons.
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Re: (Suggestion) Revive XP and Apothecary tweaks

Postby LadderGoat » Fri 16 Aug, 2019 11:09 am

Hi Impregnable, thanks for the reply.

I feel that the suggestions I've made do follow the two cases that you've outlined, do you disagree?

Like you mentioned, the revival XP tweaks have no impact on 1 vs 1 and "buffing" the commander kill XP reward also has a positive impact in my mind.

I feel that the Apothecary tweaks would be a good way of changing his meta/dynamic a little in 1 vs 1? I guess I'm just trying to find reasons for Apo users to really use the axe and I feel like it could use a little help. The Storm Bolter seems like too much of an obvious choice at the moment, I also don't see many people going for the T1 Apo armour (can't remember its name).

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Re: (Suggestion) Revive XP and Apothecary tweaks

Postby Impregnable » Fri 16 Aug, 2019 11:34 am

LadderGoat wrote:Hi Impregnable, thanks for the reply.

I feel that the suggestions I've made do follow the two cases that you've outlined, do you disagree?

Like you mentioned, the revival XP tweaks have no impact on 1 vs 1 and "buffing" the commander kill XP reward also has a positive impact in my mind.

I feel that the Apothecary tweaks would be a good way of changing his meta/dynamic a little in 1 vs 1? I guess I'm just trying to find reasons for Apo users to really use the axe and I feel like it could use a little help. The Storm Bolter seems like too much of an obvious choice at the moment, I also don't see many people going for the T1 Apo armour (can't remember its name).

Cheers.

Was just giving a reminder because I saw your comment on Faction Wars vid on Indrid Cast. Thus, had to check whether you are basing your suggestion on team game observations. I don't know whether this is intentional ignoring of principles or not knowing of it but there are a ton of comments on Indrid Cast that say OP this UP that. And what vid they comment on? Faction War or 3v3. It is down right wrong to come to a game that purely balance on 1v1 and say it is unbalanced in teams.

As long as you are aware of balancing principles that I mention of, any suggestions are welcome though not all will be accepted.
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