Torpid's Elite League Season #4 Balance Gambit

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Torpid's Elite League Season #4 Balance Gambit

Postby Torpid » Thu 11 Jul, 2019 12:04 am

With my previous winning of Elite League Season #2 & #3, as well as a flawless group stage in elite league season #1 until I had to laeve the league due to being busy IRL, I want to do something different for Elite League Season #4 and potentially give others a good chance of beating me.

Specifically, I would like the community to choose my heroes for me for this league. With the idea that I only get to play the 5 weakest heroes in 1v1. My opinions aside, if we can reach a concensus about which 5 heroes I should use that isn't very divisive, then I'll lock myself into those specific 5 heroes here. Just state below the 5 heroes you think are the weakest in 1v1, or that you think I personally am the weakest with.

It makes the league a bit more competitive, makes things harder for me (Bestnoob, go go go, this is your league), and also allows me to try my best to make the perhaps harder to use, heroes, good. Which might be an interesting investigation into their balance.
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Re: Torpid's Elite League Season #4 Balance Gambit

Postby Impregnable » Thu 11 Jul, 2019 1:27 pm

How about going full random?
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Re: Torpid's Elite League Season #4 Balance Gambit

Postby Torpid » Thu 11 Jul, 2019 3:12 pm

Impregnable wrote:How about going full random?


A lot less fun for me for two reasons:

A) I can't practise cheese strats with a hero before-hand and take them into the league

B) All the strategy element of reserving your hero picks, timing your vetoes correct and getting good maps during the lobby is cut out.
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Re: Torpid's Elite League Season #4 Balance Gambit

Postby Indrid » Thu 11 Jul, 2019 3:48 pm

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Re: Torpid's Elite League Season #4 Balance Gambit

Postby Toilailee » Thu 11 Jul, 2019 7:59 pm

Don't you even dare hold back you smug bastard.

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Re: Torpid's Elite League Season #4 Balance Gambit

Postby Bestn00b » Thu 11 Jul, 2019 9:13 pm

How about you don't play at all for season 4 ? You've already won twice and gave boss a permanent PTSD along the way :twisted:
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Re: Torpid's Elite League Season #4 Balance Gambit

Postby Broodwich » Thu 11 Jul, 2019 10:26 pm

Bestn00b wrote:How about you don't play at all for season 4 ? You've already won twice and gave boss a permanent PTSD along the way :twisted:

i think it's spelled "STD"
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Re: Torpid's Elite League Season #4 Balance Gambit

Postby Asmon » Fri 12 Jul, 2019 12:11 am

Toil's response gave me a good chuckle.
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Re: Torpid's Elite League Season #4 Balance Gambit

Postby Torpid » Fri 12 Jul, 2019 1:59 am

Asmon wrote:Toil's response gave me a good chuckle.


I like his awareness of the meta though, dropping the bomb that is the top 5 1v1 heroes atm.

Though personally, I'd say if I was try harding i'd probably go with:

LC/LG/FS/LA/KN

I've been speaking about this topic to a lot of people and they have been all agreeing that CS and Apo are hot garbage in 1v1, so at this rate I'll likely pick them two. RA is also not really seen or represented and I personally find him very micro intensive to use, way wore than HT/LA...
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Re: Torpid's Elite League Season #4 Balance Gambit

Postby Toilailee » Fri 12 Jul, 2019 7:52 pm

I also called you a smug bastard, and I'm not sure if your awareness level reached that point yet.
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Re: Torpid's Elite League Season #4 Balance Gambit

Postby Torpid » Fri 12 Jul, 2019 9:03 pm

Toilailee wrote:I also called you a smug bastard, and I'm not sure if your awareness level reached that point yet.


Put a little walk alongside the shit-talk and sign yourself up to the league already. Perhaps this time around you might reach the quarter finals =D

And if you're feeling real spicy. Don't pick IG.
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Re: Torpid's Elite League Season #4 Balance Gambit

Postby Dark Riku » Fri 12 Jul, 2019 10:37 pm

? TM, WB, CL, CS, BC ?


RA imo is one of the best 1v1 heroes.
The tunnels are too much pressure in 1v1 and on a big map like leviathan hive they are almost an instant win.
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Re: Torpid's Elite League Season #4 Balance Gambit

Postby Shroom » Fri 12 Jul, 2019 11:56 pm

apo sorc ra tm gk
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Re: Torpid's Elite League Season #4 Balance Gambit

Postby Torpid » Sat 13 Jul, 2019 12:37 am

Forget GK, not a real race till they get 3 heroes. Ignore my sig >_<

Other than that I'm thinking it looks like RA/CS/Apo/TM so far.
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Re: Torpid's Elite League Season #4 Balance Gambit

Postby Shroom » Sat 13 Jul, 2019 4:25 am

take 4 then, for even more of a handicap
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Re: Torpid's Elite League Season #4 Balance Gambit

Postby Torpid » Sat 13 Jul, 2019 5:04 am

Shroom wrote:take 4 then, for even more of a handicap


But... If it gets to the finals it is BO5 and you cannot replay your heroes.

So... Instant loss if I don't win before game5? xD
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Re: Torpid's Elite League Season #4 Balance Gambit

Postby PianoMan » Sat 13 Jul, 2019 9:53 am

I wanna see your dogshit knob :l
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Re: Torpid's Elite League Season #4 Balance Gambit

Postby ArcticFrenzy » Wed 14 Aug, 2019 9:51 am

My oh my. Torpid claims (for years) to be the best player. How about this, 3 fun-facts:

I. Some players are not allowed to participate in tournaments.

II. Not to mention that he also forged his own patches for this game
(rest of players are destined to play the game sterile & styless — Torpid style).

III. And lastly — his height is 160 ÷ 165 cm (explains previous). :P
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Re: Torpid's Elite League Season #4 Balance Gambit

Postby Torpid » Wed 14 Aug, 2019 4:30 pm

ArcticFrenzy wrote:My oh my. Torpid claims (for years) to be the best player. How about this, 3 fun-facts:

I. Some players are not allowed to participate in tournaments.

II. Not to mention that he also forged his own patches for this game
(rest of players are destined to play the game sterile & styless — Torpid style).

III. And lastly — his height is 160 ÷ 165 cm (explains previous). :P


I mean it's not even a debate.

Not only have been #1 on ladder during times when it is at its peak in terms of average trueskill, I also have had large win streaks on RETAIL in the last 2years playing random vs critical32 who is probably the best player there and he wasn't playing random, he was playing the clearly OP orks. And of course I've beaten all the best players on stream not just on a one off but consistently over and over in 1v1 and 2v2. On top of that I can play every single race, whereas players like yourself struggle to play just 2. And I've won multiple tournaments and done very well on all major tournaments of elite, that is the championship and the leagues. And the best bit is I don't even play actively anymore and haven't for years.

You say the meta is forged around me, yet you seem to be neglecting how BLs have received no nerfs during the time in which I was balance lead, in fact the PCs bloodletters are stronger than ever before! And we all know Arctic frenzy style = bloodletter spam or shuriken spam.
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Re: Torpid's Elite League Season #4 Balance Gambit

Postby PianoMan » Wed 14 Aug, 2019 5:03 pm

ArcticFrenzy wrote:My oh my. Torpid claims (for years) to be the best player. How about this, 3 fun-facts:

I. Some players are not allowed to participate in tournaments.

II. Not to mention that he also forged his own patches for this game
(rest of players are destined to play the game sterile & styless — Torpid style).

III. And lastly — his height is 160 ÷ 165 cm (explains previous). :P

is it true that you actually are autistic irl? shoulder mount said you talked a little bit about yourself and that you mentioned being a total autist
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Re: Torpid's Elite League Season #4 Balance Gambit

Postby ArcticFrenzy » Thu 15 Aug, 2019 3:17 pm

Torpid wrote:
ArcticFrenzy wrote:My oh my. Torpid claims (for years) to be the best player. How about this, 3 fun-facts:

I. Some players are not allowed to participate in tournaments.

II. Not to mention that he also forged his own patches for this game
(rest of players are destined to play the game sterile & styless — Torpid style).

III. And lastly — his height is 160 ÷ 165 cm (explains previous). :P


I mean it's not even a debate.

Not only have been #1 on ladder during times when it is at its peak in terms of average trueskill, I also have had large win streaks on RETAIL in the last 2years playing random vs critical32 who is probably the best player there and he wasn't playing random, he was playing the clearly OP orks. And of course I've beaten all the best players on stream not just on a one off but consistently over and over in 1v1 and 2v2. On top of that I can play every single race, whereas players like yourself struggle to play just 2. And I've won multiple tournaments and done very well on all major tournaments of elite, that is the championship and the leagues. And the best bit is I don't even play actively anymore and haven't for years.

You say the meta is forged around me, yet you seem to be neglecting how BLs have received no nerfs during the time in which I was balance lead, in fact the PCs bloodletters are stronger than ever before! And we all know Arctic frenzy style = bloodletter spam or shuriken spam.


Ok, ok. Wonder if you could say the same if you werent allowed to skill
measuring contests (cant be said about dow2 tournaments? or can it).

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ArcticFrenzy wrote:My oh my. Torpid claims (for years) to be the best player. How about this, 3 fun-facts:

I. Some players are not allowed to participate in tournaments.

II. Not to mention that he also forged his own patches for this game
(rest of players are destined to play the game sterile & styless — Torpid style).

III. And lastly — his height is 160 ÷ 165 cm (explains previous). :P

is it true that you actually are autistic irl? shoulder mount said you talked a little bit about yourself and that you mentioned being a total autist


It is true that my social abilities are limited. But I am cool guy, as you will find out in future.
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Re: Torpid's Elite League Season #4 Balance Gambit

Postby Oddnerd » Thu 15 Aug, 2019 3:20 pm

Aren't you the guy who was caught fighting his smurf?
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Re: Torpid's Elite League Season #4 Balance Gambit

Postby ArcticFrenzy » Thu 15 Aug, 2019 3:23 pm

Oddnerd wrote:Aren't you the guy who was caught fighting his smurf?


That is what they were saying years ago, it was proven wrong, but some players still spread this to justify not letting me into tournaments.

Or perhaps you are mistaking me for someone else who did that.
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Re: RE: Re: Torpid's Elite League Season #4 Balance Gambit

Postby Nurland » Fri 16 Aug, 2019 11:14 pm

ArcticFrenzy wrote:My oh my. Torpid claims (for years) to be the best player. How about this, 3 fun-facts:

I. Some players are not allowed to participate in tournaments.

II. Not to mention that he also forged his own patches for this game
(rest of players are destined to play the game sterile &amp; styless — Torpid style).

III. And lastly — his height is 160 ÷ 165 cm (explains previous). :P
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Re: Torpid's Elite League Season #4 Balance Gambit

Postby Atlas » Sat 17 Aug, 2019 12:15 am

Just do a Torpid/Artic GRUDGE MATCH and this should be over!
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Re: Torpid's Elite League Season #4 Balance Gambit

Postby ArcticFrenzy » Sun 18 Aug, 2019 6:15 pm

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Re: Torpid's Elite League Season #4 Balance Gambit

Postby Atlas » Sun 18 Aug, 2019 6:44 pm

I don't understand the context. A GRUDGE MATCH is basically just a bo3. Go stomp Torpid on stream and that should be good.
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Re: Torpid's Elite League Season #4 Balance Gambit

Postby Toilailee » Mon 19 Aug, 2019 6:05 pm

Atlas has a point, you don't need to be allowed into tournaments to beat torpid on stream. BO3 (or BO5) GRUDGE MATCH! Make it happen. I'm sure torpid won't refuse the challenge after what he's said on this thread. :twisted:
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Re: Torpid's Elite League Season #4 Balance Gambit

Postby Torpid » Mon 19 Aug, 2019 7:19 pm

BO5 Random maps. Random hero. Simple?
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Re: Torpid's Elite League Season #4 Balance Gambit

Postby Cheekie Monkie » Fri 23 Aug, 2019 9:44 pm

Torpid should give himself a real challenge. Random? Not underpowered enough. Underpowered heroes? Not good enough. He should go a...

NO HEROES CHALLENGE

Not only is this challenging, but it also brings into the spotlight as to how much certain factions are more reliant on their heroes than others.

I've always wanted viable, but still crazy alternate game rules in this game and there are other ways to handicap the pro player. What if Torpid concedes if his VPs fall below 100? What if he sacrifices his starting unit? These are all honour based rules reliant on the word of the player, but I think it's worthwhile to consider.
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