Kvn wrote:Torpid wrote:For about 3x gen bashing effectiveness.
Which is getting cut in half.Torpid wrote:~3x compositional effectiveness (due to its inter economic and compositional synergies with eldar and its AV capacity) and about... 1.5x more anti-infantry effectiveness.
Do you really think the Falcon has 3x the compositional effectiveness of something like IG who can support their transport with mass repairs and reinforce for much cheaper/much more quickly? Of Space Marines, who actually benefit from the increased mobility? Of Orks who get both mobility and reinforcement?
Yes, because IG can easily be base-locked in T1 and lose their entire power. At the same skill level that will never happen with eldar. At best you can play SM and if lucky play a trick on your foe and get a sneaky tac ninja bash. That's map dependent and requires luck. Most MUs eldar is never gonna lose a gen even if they build 4 which they often can easily afford whilst still winning every major engagement in t1 and maintaining superior map control. Thus by the time a bloodcrusher or deff dread comes out the falcon is out. This is what I mean by it having a compositional advantage. Such vehicles do nothing vs a falcon and the falcon instantly goes ahead and gets a very quick bash. This is part and parcel of why the current falcon would sincerely be worth it even at 130 power. I'd just have to go a heavier t1 instead since I wouldn't be able to instantly get it out to fight that DD/BC/RB or similar vehicle and thus I'd lose my power before it came out and lose.
But I'd still get it, I'd just go 2 ranger, 1 shuri. 4x ranger. 3x shuri in t1. One of those. Then get warp spiders when I hit T2, then falcon for 130 power after. I sincerely would still buy it a fair bit for 130 power. Just compare the default chaos dreadnought to the falcon. That's 120 vs 130 power I am proposed. Chaos dreadnought has very inferior anti infantry, much slower, much more vulnerable to AV in spite of its higher hp due to the low speed. It gets snared it is boned. Lower gen bash potential. Lower AV potential, BUT STILL I buy the chaos dreadnought and often even keep it in its default mode. I can tell you now everytime I do that as chaos I'd rather have a 130 power falcon.
Torpid wrote:It is pulled back in line by nerfing that gen bashing capacity and the anti infantry one. Probably could do with a build time increase as well to weaken the composition effectiveness, that or more power cost.
Kvn wrote:Losing 25% of its accuracy on the move is more than just an anti-infantry nerf.
Only it's AV was proposed to get nerfed by 25% I believe. I can't seem to find the thread now. But it's AI guns are 75% accuracy atm, AV is 100%. Still, I think all should lose 25%.