hiveminion wrote:You should not dismiss people demanding explanations for balance changes, after all you want consensus on changes and a consensus is useless unless people can make an informed opinion.
I would like to redirect you to my original post which did not imply Nid AV should be centered around the Zoanthrope, although it always has been and currently is now. However, considering your desire for consensus and a quick, easy solution to current Nid AV problems, the Zoanthrope became inevitably the only available option.
Ok, fair enough that people deserve explanations. Those are typically either done in the patch round table or in the patch notes themselves ,but this is a case where people saw most of it before release. Still, I maintain my point that the best feedback on changes offers some kind of explanation for their opinions.
Right, my point is that we can potentially have so much better options on the table than just a revert on Zoans. I do think that more heads can be useful in dealing with these sorts of problems because if you focus too hard on one opinion, other possibilities tend to get overlooked.
I know you didn't mean it this way, but consensus is something that SHOULD be strived for, and not be dismissed for the sake of expediency. Of course, you can't always get everyone to agree, but I really do believe that the best solutions tend to come after some good debate.
Doing that is hardly quick and easy, and I don't expect a solution to Nid AV issues (again, whatever you define that as) to be any different. I'm hardly convinced that the Zoanthrope is our only option. THAT is what sounds quick and easy. Which again circles back to my first and main point:
These topics are more complicated though and so they will have to wait until 2.7