- Ignoring boss's offensive writing. What he wants is as follows.
Demands1. Put patch notes on forums and fight over it like old days.(Demand of transparency in how mod is developed)
- Reasonable demand that majority would support.
2. Adila was not made balance lead by public opinion so should hear what the community got to say about who they want to be balance lead.
- Reasonable demand but the position has to be fought over with words and logic not insults.
- This leads to bottom argument.
Why boss should be balance lead according to his argument- Balance lead should be someone who can like Caeltos
1) Listen to ideas
2) While adding his own ideas(Vision)
- He argues that Adila do not qualify in both criteria while he fits both.
- Firstly, he should write his vision down on forums in detail like he demands for others. Also, if Caeltos is his role model, he should act like him. Below are things he missed about Caeltos and the disparity I mention below should be filled if he wants to be the balance lead.
What should boss do if he wants to be the balance lead1/ Caeltos used punctuation right
- What is the point of a balance patch notes if people cannot understand the logic behind it by such petty and very basic mistakes?
- His recent patch notes showed he can keep punctuation right if he cares for it. He should keep that trend if he wants to be balance lead.
2/ Caeltos did not insult people
- Whether he agreed on a person's opinion or not, no matter how wrong the opinion may be in his view, he did not insult or belittle other people.
- A balance lead is the face of this mod and represent its image. If the leader belittles or insult others whenever they disagree, others in the community are also depicted in such arrogant image as well.
- This also goes against the principal of listening to other people's idea. When the balance lead is acting like that, others would not post their opinions on forum from fear of being insulted.
2.1) Which kind of balance lead is more ideal?
- Someone who just because others disagree, belittle and not explain. Can conveniently refute any opinion that is different from the lead by saying I know game better than you so shut up.
OR
- Someone who refute arguments step by step with logic and spend energy and time to write them down carefully.
- This question leads to the most important factor boss lack as a balance lead candidate compared to Caeltos as stated below.
3/ Caeltos was ready to spend his time and energy to write and talk
- Before elite forum was set up, there was a private homepage where Caeltos posted his ideas and download link for elite in its early days. There, he would talk for months even for arguing over certain change he made to the elite mod.
- He was not afraid to spend his time and energy to write and talk for months or even over an year. If boss truly wants to be the balance lead, he should not be afraid to talk about his ideas openly and extensively for months no matter how long it takes.
- Just like he demands, he should follow his own words and post everything on forums and should be ready to talk over it for months. What he needs to write down are below.
3.1) What are match ups that no one can win?'
- At least, should write down how match up proceeds in words and what parts of it are in what way bad.
- Balance discussion in other RTS games even goes down to at what point in what match up how much resource each side have and lost. If he truly, cares for elite mod, he should do like that too.
- Replays should be given and he should point out to parts of replays certain things he mentioned happen.
3.2) Writing down his vision
- Whether it be accepted or not, he should really write this down and argue over it like Caeltos did if he claims he has vision.
- He should start with each faction and how he envisions each should be in future balance in very detailed way.
Other boss' arguments that needs to be looked at- boss says Cealtos was an ideal balance lead but there are a lot of things Caeltos do not agree with what boss proposes
1/ The common trend that can be found in his argument is don't stir up meta to change the meta.
- However, this is a problematic point of view considering how Elite has been developed so far.
- According to that argument, some of the new units should not have been added to each faction by Caeltos. There were absolutely no reason for units like Phobos, Whirlwind, Chosen Plague Marines and Neurothropes which has probably zero impact on solving retail match up issues in 1v1 to be added to Elite.
- Also, Caeltos' vision did include stirring up the meta to change the meta. If balance is the only problem, making available builds diverse by making changes and adding new units should not be done. Balancing is way easier if viable builds and units are limited to a few combinations only. However, Caeltos clearly did seek out to stir up meta for more diverse builds and change of a faction's play style.
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viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2354 -> In this thread, he talks about his idea on how to make Eldar to more mobile faction as opposed to what Eldar became by the end of retribution into more of a set up and defend oriented faction using shuriken, wraith guard and d cannons. This is clearly stirring up of the meta using changes without balancing needs. Balance can be struck while allowing Eldar to remain as a set up oriented faction like in retribution but Caeltos had his vision on Eldar and changed Wraith Guards and D cannons like how we know now.
- In this sense, Caeltos' vision clearly includes stirring up meta for more diversity and making factions fit his ideals.
2/ Don't add new stuff when we don't have current factions not balanced
- According to this argument, nothing new can be added. Grey Knights certainly could not have been added back in early days of elite without so much of assets it has now. Balance is always in fluid state of not being totally perfect. Thus, waiting current things to be balanced before adding new things is an impossible goal.
- Also, as I have argued above, new units to each faction we have cannot be added based on this argument. If we are to follow that logic, Elite mod should have first tried balancing using only retail units and then add new stuff years later. Caeltos certainly did not see it this way.
Adila's achievements- Not agreeing on how Adila balance things is one thing but trying to erase what he has achieved apart from balancing is completely another. Even if we change the balance lead, Adila's achievements should not be removed.
1/ League
- Like can be seen in that thread by adeptus
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6148, league is a good system that should be continued.
1) It provides stats for balancing including replay evidences
2) Makes high skill players constantly engaged for developing of new strategies
3) Provides cycle of Balance Patch -> League -> Feedback -> Balance Patch
2/ Gathering the mod team together
- Ever since Caeltos left, we constantly bled people who can model new units and abilities. Adila has spent his time and energy to gather up new people who can replace those losses we had in the past so that new units and factions can be added in the future. OM needs 3 heroes first before it can be balanced. How can it be remotely balanced if one faction has only 1 hero. Adding new faction is a far patched idea and balancing existing match ups should come first but OM needing 3 heroes is certainly a necessary change and also it needs a separate screen aside from tagging along SM UI. Making this possible by forming up a contact system of new talents should not be disregarded.