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The Map Hack.

Posted: Fri 22 Apr, 2022 5:56 pm
by Antandron
Dishonest Russians are using a map hack that allows them to see more of the map than usual.

I want it.

How do I get it?

I also think it should be widely publicised and offered to every player as it's an unfair advantage at present.

Re: The Map Hack.

Posted: Fri 22 Apr, 2022 6:36 pm
by Paranoid Kamikaze
Been around for a while. Mainly competitive players use it as it gives them an advantage over others.

Re: The Map Hack.

Posted: Thu 16 Jun, 2022 10:41 pm
by Desked
At this point, we need to have a a discussion about just releasing this maphack or including in the download of elite mod. Half the players are using it in my lobbies.

I suggest the maphack file is made public and shared with all. If half the people are already using it then what is the point of not sharing it with all?

I will say those that are opposed to this most likely are using the program and do not wish others to have the same advantage.

Pin the file in discord and lets just be done with it.

Re: The Map Hack.

Posted: Fri 17 Jun, 2022 10:46 am
by LOCALgHOST
what are you talking about?

Re: The Map Hack.

Posted: Fri 17 Jun, 2022 10:58 am
by GuruSkippy
LOCALgHOST wrote:what are you talking about?

The zoom-out hack.

Re: The Map Hack.

Posted: Fri 17 Jun, 2022 1:32 pm
by LOCALgHOST
it's not a MAPHACK
you cant see through fog of war with it. btw i never use it cause it's very uncomfortable to play that way

Re: The Map Hack.

Posted: Fri 17 Jun, 2022 4:16 pm
by Bruce Campbell
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/ ... =767696158

Right click > Translate to English

Enjoy.


Ignore Ghost, he's one of the many original scumbag cheating slimeball Russians who would do anything BUT share the cheat with people for his own advantage. You can zoom out a long way without fog affecting it, and its an enormous advantage.

Re: The Map Hack.

Posted: Sat 18 Jun, 2022 3:13 pm
by OceansAteAlaska
Ofc it's the Russians who else could it be

Re: The Map Hack.

Posted: Sat 18 Jun, 2022 8:31 pm
by Paranoid Kamikaze
That guide has been up since 2016. I tried searching for it myself and came up with nothing. It's only when I went to the authors profile and clicked his guides that I saw it. Anyways, I reported it as it's cheating so hopefully it gets taken down.

It was favourited by Python on my friends list XD

The comments say it can be used in DoW 3 too. Does that mean it could be used in AoE 4 too? That game had some good cash prizes.

Re: The Map Hack.

Posted: Sun 19 Jun, 2022 9:40 am
by LOCALgHOST
Bruce Campbell wrote:https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=767696158

Right click > Translate to English

Enjoy.


Ignore Ghost, he's one of the many original scumbag cheating slimeball Russians who would do anything BUT share the cheat with people for his own advantage. You can zoom out a long way without fog affecting it, and its an enormous advantage.


lol i remember you asked for It :) and was angry i didnt share. and i didnt share cause i really lost my file.

and again - this feature is not THAT ENORMOUS advantage, it's not a map hack and i never used it.

and i play this game not for winning at any cost but for competitve play. so.. pity bruce, pity

Re: The Map Hack.

Posted: Sun 19 Jun, 2022 5:41 pm
by Paranoid Kamikaze
LOCALgHOST wrote:
Bruce Campbell wrote:https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=767696158

Right click > Translate to English

Enjoy.


Ignore Ghost, he's one of the many original scumbag cheating slimeball Russians who would do anything BUT share the cheat with people for his own advantage. You can zoom out a long way without fog affecting it, and its an enormous advantage.


lol i remember you asked for It :) and was angry i didnt share. and i didnt share cause i really lost my file.

and again - this feature is not THAT ENORMOUS advantage, it's not a map hack and i never used it.

and i play this game not for winning at any cost but for competitve play. so.. pity bruce, pity


Being able to control your army over a larger area is a huge advantage.

Re: The Map Hack.

Posted: Sun 19 Jun, 2022 11:26 pm
by Bruce Campbell
Paranoid Kamikaze wrote:That guide has been up since 2016. I tried searching for it myself and came up with nothing. It's only when I went to the authors profile and clicked his guides that I saw it. Anyways, I reported it as it's cheating so hopefully it gets taken down.

It was favourited by Python on my friends list XD

The comments say it can be used in DoW 3 too. Does that mean it could be used in AoE 4 too? That game had some good cash prizes.


Why would you report it? then it gets taken down and becomes once again a secretive mod that never gets shared with anyone and only gets to be used by a select few. Completely unfair. It should be stickied in the forums so absolutely everyone has access to it if they wish and everyone has an equal playing ground.

Re: The Map Hack.

Posted: Mon 20 Jun, 2022 3:41 am
by Paranoid Kamikaze
Bruce Campbell wrote:
Paranoid Kamikaze wrote:That guide has been up since 2016. I tried searching for it myself and came up with nothing. It's only when I went to the authors profile and clicked his guides that I saw it. Anyways, I reported it as it's cheating so hopefully it gets taken down.

It was favourited by Python on my friends list XD

The comments say it can be used in DoW 3 too. Does that mean it could be used in AoE 4 too? That game had some good cash prizes.


Why would you report it? then it gets taken down and becomes once again a secretive mod that never gets shared with anyone and only gets to be used by a select few. Completely unfair. It should be stickied in the forums so absolutely everyone has access to it if they wish and everyone has an equal playing ground.


That's the same kind of argument that could be had for those who remove the fog of war or cheat in any way in any game.

Re: The Map Hack.

Posted: Mon 20 Jun, 2022 1:24 pm
by GuruSkippy
Paranoid Kamikaze wrote:That's the same kind of argument that could be had for those who remove the fog of war or cheat in any way in any game.

mmmh, no, not the same argument.
The camera max height was probably decided by Relic for aesthetics reasons and/or performance reasons.
Remember that this game is from 2009. 3v3 can be really hard for old computers.
AND, if you take a look at DOW1, camera mod is widely accepted, no one considered it as cheating.

So, personaly, I'm with Bruce : all of us should have access to it.
Tournaments should be flagged as camera mod accepted yes or no.
If yes, the link should be given to everyone.
If no, tournament should be played on reworked map to deny zoom mod usage, or with a mini software sending picture of your screen taken randomly to a server (or livestreamed). COH had something like this at one point, isn't it ?

But anyway, the simplest is to just give it to everyone.

Re: The Map Hack.

Posted: Mon 20 Jun, 2022 7:17 pm
by Paranoid Kamikaze
GuruSkippy wrote:
Paranoid Kamikaze wrote:That's the same kind of argument that could be had for those who remove the fog of war or cheat in any way in any game.

mmmh, no, not the same argument.
The camera max height was probably decided by Relic for aesthetics reasons and/or performance reasons.
Remember that this game is from 2009. 3v3 can be really hard for old computers.
AND, if you take a look at DOW1, camera mod is widely accepted, no one considered it as cheating.

So, personaly, I'm with Bruce : all of us should have access to it.
Tournaments should be flagged as camera mod accepted yes or no.
If yes, the link should be given to everyone.
If no, tournament should be played on reworked map to deny zoom mod usage, or with a mini software sending picture of your screen taken randomly to a server (or livestreamed). COH had something like this at one point, isn't it ?

But anyway, the simplest is to just give it to everyone.


How far you zoom out can also be for a design reason such as having players choose where their screen is or by forcing them to pay attention to their mini-map for awareness. Example: If your screen is ahead of your army you can see what's ahead of you but you're vulnerable to being attacked in the rear where you can't see.

Unless Relic officially says it's okay then that means it's not as it's a hack that gives you an advantage over your opponent.

Re: The Map Hack.

Posted: Tue 21 Jun, 2022 3:11 am
by Broodwich
I'm with Guru, would be nice to have included as a part of elite. Ideally a toggle on the in-game menu so you can flip it on when you're spectating.

Kami also says SS are vanguards in t2 sooo...

Re: The Map Hack.

Posted: Tue 21 Jun, 2022 8:25 am
by GuruSkippy
Paranoid Kamikaze wrote:Unless Relic officially says it's okay then that means it's not as it's a hack that gives you an advantage over your opponent.

If everyone have access to it, you don't have an advantage, because your opponent has it. It's not a cheat anymore, like camera mod in DOW1. And I don't think Relic ever said anything about DOW1 camera mod. (well, tbf, DOW1 without camera mod is really bad...)
Right now in DOW2, yes, only some people are using it when the others don't know about it, or where to find it. Then yes, it's cheat. Not a huge cheat like a real maphack removing FoW, but it's still a cheat.

But, you know what, Bloodrain won a tournament with a money price, using the camera mod, streaming it. He wasn't disqualified.
Last Tenso's 1v1 league, Tenso even had to accept the camera mod, because he would have had to disqualify Sphenomz if not.
Our community is just too small to disqualify people for camera mod usage, it's sad, but it is what it is.

Re: The Map Hack.

Posted: Tue 21 Jun, 2022 8:28 am
by GuruSkippy
Broodwich wrote:I'm with Guru, would be nice to have included as a part of elite. Ideally a toggle on the in-game menu so you can flip it on when you're spectating. .

Haha !
Don't dream too much, the mod team can't do that. They can probably add it in Elite, yes, but they can't add a toggle in the menu.
But yes, the camera mod is great for casting or observing games. No one complained when Indrid started to use it for his YT videos.

Re: The Map Hack.

Posted: Wed 22 Jun, 2022 1:30 am
by Paranoid Kamikaze
Since Relic isn't developing the game anymore I guess it doesn't matter what their stance is on it. It'll be up the the modders whether they give it to everyone or not.

If they don't put it in that means the game is more mechanically hard and you'll need a higher apm plus put in some planning on camera movement and map awareness.

If they do put it in it'll be easier to control your army over a larger area which makes abilities like Timefield less impactful. Since people like to keep their army spread out on their screen they would have been less spread out compared to if they were zoomed out more. It'll also be easier to see ambushes such as a long range ASM jumping at you outside your screen or sneaky grenades.

Re: The Map Hack.

Posted: Wed 22 Jun, 2022 12:05 pm
by LOCALgHOST
i dont see any problems include zoommod into elite.

about "sharing" - everyone can do it himself, if even me could do. you find config with camera angles and fix it.

about advantage - i think i you re fast enough to use squad keys (123456 etc) u just dont need it. like i dont need it

and mink is getting angry, thinking that's the mod is the cause he's losing too much, not his curvy hands :)

Re: The Map Hack.

Posted: Thu 23 Jun, 2022 10:37 am
by LOCALgHOST
wanna clarify

played mink on high stratum
https://dawnofwar.info/esl/match/53185786
https://dawnofwar.info/esl/match/53185589

can u please tell him that every stupidf can see obstacles cracking when someone heavy (CL WB HT or BC) walks in?
so in both games i saw he's coming CL on power so tics going natural req or else this side. (cause going tics on my side is crazy)

and yeah, also people can hear HOW MANY gens loyalists drop - ig/sm/om - every gen is LOUD, and tics worshiping, and so on even power capture i think. if u're not capping at the time - u can hear it over fog of war

u don't need any hack to get that

p.s. annoying thing that replay watcher is broken - u can't correctly use FOV/POV function

Re: The Map Hack.

Posted: Thu 23 Jun, 2022 11:19 am
by GuruSkippy
stop lying
if mink says you're a cheater, then you're a cheater :twisted:
that's an universal rule

like if SB and you have power sword, then you win

Re: The Map Hack.

Posted: Thu 23 Jun, 2022 1:59 pm
by LOCALgHOST
what a warm and welcoming community :)