I really feel the slugga nob could use a slight hp nerf at best because slugga boyz really scale poorly into late T2 and beyond; they can do fuck-all against walkers, and what with walkers gaining melee resist now all you need against slugga boyz (or spam of them) is a SM Dread, Hugbot, Shuriken Wra...

3) Now my main gripe. KCSM lacks clear role? Well, there is a bigger picture to this. Back in retail they were pretty clearly defined, really different to other chaos melee units (they were beefy, quick, resiliant to small arms fire, with light AV capabilites...unlike tics or letters). Now in Elite...

How about knockback and suppression immunity (BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!) with drawbacks?

Ability: Blood for the Blood God!
The unit is immune to knockback and suppression, but automatically attacks nearest target (friend or foe) and can not be retreated for 15 seconds.

FOS isn't great because you can smack the thing away with the PF, it's great because now you can keep hitting it with your ranged AV stuff. 8 secs to 5 secs is a nerf for the PF but the tracking is a buff to every other AV you have because you can reliably immob everything, even vehicles with some k...

Suggestion. Remove tracking fos from pf and cheapen it. Add nontracking fos to th and up the price.

Fluffier and probably more balanced? Would it add too much util to th?

I agree that light SM vehicles need a consolidation a-la Rhino/Razorback variants for the GK; as is, they compete too much with the Dreadnought in T2 and the Predator in T3.

LOL just LOL let me get started jump squads are relevant cus they counter fc's biggest weakness in t1, you jumped the dev squad, now it resetups and suppresses your fc and you cant win the engagement, well played there and dont even say you can jump twice, without the apo heal you cant and if he im...

I find devs most viable with the FC tbh. How come? He has pretty much nothing that synergizes. Battle Cry, For the Emperor and Battle Standard, that's it.. And the TM with just Mark Target does a better job than all that combined. cus he can fuck every jump squad? and in t2 bc stacks with libby's i...

The Tactical Sergeant is no hard melee counter, but having him is a million times better than not having him. Especially in T1.5/2, when you start running into things like Adrenaline Warriors, Aspect Banshees, Slugga Nobz, ASM, Bloodletters, etc. that can really badly tie up and force off your Tacti...

That Torpid Gamer wrote:I find devs most viable with the FC tbh.

How come? He has pretty much nothing that synergizes. Battle Cry, For the Emperor and Battle Standard, that's it.. And the TM with just Mark Target does a better job than all that combined.

I think that would be far too powerful on KCSM simply because they can retreat immediately afterward. They would absolutely annihilate anything with the damage modifier and damage boost and move speed bonus that comes with bloodrage. Really? If it was made so you cannot retreat for the duration of ...

I've said it in another thread before, IG need a T2 light tank.

Give them the Hellhound with the option to upgrade to a Bane Wolf or Devil Dog.

I'm not against the goggle-eyes thing at all, but they should look petrol green/hollow not bright glowing grass green

Agreed, eyes look very out of place.

Tabletop meta changes from edition to edition. Spamming fliers and special wepaons is not a tactic exclusive to IG, it's just the current edition meta cheese. I was referring to the IG army in general through editions.

I think Imperial Guard really needs to take a cue from their tabletop counterpart and make T2 more relevant as such. How? Imperial guard rely on mass infantry or good armor. Currently T2 IG is focused on elite troop units like Ogryns, Stormtroopers, etc. which arguably do not help overcome most of t...

I've seen purple, red, blue, green, orange, even white look pretty damn cool on plasma weapons..

Lifesteal sounds like it would be too OP, I really hate regenerate on hit kind of abilities, they can quickly make strong melee units over the top. I think a very good buff would be to give them a +25% or +50% boost to red and experience they get from melee kills. BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD and all that.

Survivability is an issue, but it is an issue with all melee units. What hurts Chaos a bit more is that they have no transports or on-field reinforcement points unless you play the PC, and it really hurts.

Also, KCSM seem to work only when in pairs.

Barrogh wrote:To be honest, notion of "super unit" in DoW2 is completely arbitrary and means nothing.

Please elaborate?

AC on Heretics don't die, add survivability and incredibly increase damage. WTG ignoring the initial comparison for the sake of argument.

Please let's discuss him in context; you are adding him to a very fragile melee unit that gets owned by heretics. He costs 25 power. He's a T2 upgrade, so he competes with things like the Weirdboy and Wartrukk.

He's not OP for the same reason the AC is not.

Give the tac sergeant the choice to buy equipment upgrade in T3; namely Plasma pistol + power sword. Give the unit some Power Melee and Plasma damage. They will become very interesting in T3.

Yes, Plague Marines carry Plague knives. And you know what, Khorne Marines carry Bolt Pistols. A short range firefight is still a firefight; i.e. in 40K terms it's Bolter/Rapid Fire range. Plague Marines are ranged units. I repeat, the melee Plague Marine squad is as dumb as the ranged Khorne Marine...

I vote for the change, would actually give the SM something to counter nasty Ork Nob builds with.

Melee Plague Marines sound really unfluffy though, nearly as bad as Ranged Khorne Marines..

Sorry, I have no idea what I was thinking

Is it really impossible to make DOW2 matchmaking work with the Elite Mod?

Devs don't cost 400/0, they cost 250/30 IIRC?

Honestly I was very surprissed to scroll down and see FC top the list; he's my favorite hero and the one I use to best effect. I feel he has abilities and wargear to respond to any situation, but kind of sucks before you kit him out. That costs a lot of power, but is very rewarding. My main gripe wi...