Even vanilla tics have higher dps than shees (if the dps of shees and tics has not been changed since retail) and hormas have the highest dps of vanilla T1 melee squads.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq1QQD4wxVE indeed webway gates are useless in outer reaches.

Is it really that similar? it basically comes down to an over extended vehicle. with proper support, especially plasma/inferno, a sent doesn't want to get any where near and all you have to do is move your dread behind infantry and the sent isn't going to do anything. problem with the bane wolf is ...

Sluggas have higher base dps than banshees (shees have power melee though so they do more damage against HI/SHI). And while Shees have higher melee skill and probably a better special attack, I think vanilla sluggas beat vanilla shees 1v1 if they use waagh. So sluggas are nothing to be scoffed at. T...

Nurgle worship should grant some sort of buff to vehicles and some extra buff to daemons also. It is probably the worst scaling worship even when not considering the aforementioned shortcomings. That is only my opinion though.

Well Lulfexes are T3 and expensive as fuq. Every fex variant is like 210 or so power in retail but can't remember how the prices are in elite. But anyway an unit that costos 700-800/~200, is slow and has 1350 hp and can't be repaired with an ability to summon spore mines or shoot bioplasma is not OP...

Yeah I think fully upgraded SM lib is 1000hp, each whoregear giving him 100 extra hp. Also vanilla Apo dps is something like 25 if it's not been changed since retail so as Indrid pointed out lib dps is way higher than apo's.

I kinda agree with Raffa/Nikhel on this one. Tcsm are usually just more flexible and safer choice as you can get high dps power melee via bloodletters with less overall expenses and no time consuming upgrades needed. Kcsm aren't bad but as they don't stand a chance against any other dedicated T2 mel...

I usually find flesh over steel dodgeable with tanks (just need to know where the fc is) but it is a a lot harder to dodge it with walkers. With Eldar I think good ways to counter it are kinetic pulse + holofield, gravity blade, time field, mind war, shees, merciless witchblade, warp throw, heavy ga...

I suggest going to Elite mod chat. Most of the people who used to hang out at L2P and are still playing are in Elite mod chat these days.

Rofl. Oops. I haz fehled teh typing gods.

What I never quite understood was why damonic visage was changed to its current state? I liked it in retail but now it just feels like a crappier version of trophy rack.

Maybe getting the AC could reduce the jump jost to 60/55energy? Since atm the AC doesn't really give much besides for the obvious increase in dps and hp. Other jump units get some sort of ability with their squad leader (storms get stun upon landing, asm get merciless, ceptors get kb and dmg upon la...

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Nuclear Arbitor wrote:that puts a massive damper on it's use, and not just the undodgeable nade use.

I agree. Example: Since Eldar doesn't have a jump troop, kinetic pulse can be the only way to save a Wraithlord trying to walk away from a las-cannon sometimes.

Warp Spiders? Autarch? WSE?

It may also have something to do with what it says in the properties of the custom shortcut the installer makes. Make sure the path is right etc.

Well since they reverted the squad size back to 7 models to start with so there are two sword models, who don't do ranged damage (at least there were back in retail when the squad had 7 members iirc).

Not entirely sure about the situation currently in elite though.

Maybe you didn't note in your calculations that the two sword models and gl model don't do ranged dmg?

I suppose Caeltos and Lulgrim know better but I'd say that they have probably not at least buffed the cata dmg from retail. And in retail it is 17,65 dps piercing per shotgun model (four of them = 70,60 dps). The demo man does 20,59 dps piercing and the sarge does 22,65 melta so in total 113,84 dps ...

Doesn't WSE have a melee skill of 60 to start with or is it 70? But yeah every melee weapon for a ranged commander takes them up to 70 melee skill (which is the default melee skill for melee units). I don't think his melee skill should be lowered if it is 60 to start with. That would make him too su...

In retail they did 210 power melee and 90 something piercing + 22-23 melta iirc (when fully upgraded). So T1 catas did as much ranged dps as 2 T1 tac squads (with shorter range ofc). Not sure about the current values in elite though.

Well if there is a fuckton of av on the field why get a vehicle in the first place? Giving it a ranged weapon could be ok but having a walker with 1750hp in lvl1 with a powerful ranged weapon sounds a tad bit OP. It is roughly equal to TB fex in melee without rippers but with the ability to be repa...

Well if there is a fuckton of av on the field why get a vehicle in the first place? Giving it a ranged weapon could be ok but having a walker with 1750hp in lvl1 with a powerful ranged weapon sounds a tad bit OP. It is roughly equal to TB fex in melee without rippers but with the ability to be repai...

Tac + Plasma + Sargent cost less than a fully upgraded TCSM The total cost of a tcsm squad is only 80/10 higher than that or a plasma tact. If you factor in the lower upkeep of tcsm they actually cost less req in the long run. And as Cretella also mentioned something about the dps: Tcsm do 38% more...

Well as CL you can buff your csm with either bloodlust or shrines or debuff enemies with visage. As PC you can heal them with shrines, worship, mucus discharge or protect with pestilent strike or debuff with lul spewer. Sorc can use the daemonic shield (or whatever it is called), IoT, shrines or wor...

Yeah. OB used to do heavy melee and piercing. Now it does explosive.

And the Banshee Exarch it's a +40% damage bonus on a crazy melee dps squad... And the Tac Sargent it's a ~33% damage bonus on a versatile range squad... And the Nob's Nob Leader it's a 25% damage bonus on one of the best (if not the best) melee squads in the game... Banshee exarch also gives the sq...

I think abyss is the only global dealing heavy melee aside from noxious cloud. Other nukes do explosive iirc and some globals ability flame or something like that

When there are only one or two soft counters to deal with melee, that is either get Devils or Sentinel with a stomp (Set-up easily flanked thus unit does not count) Uhh... Well. Chans are a pretty hard melee counter in my books. And HWT is also a perfectly viable melee counter (in my opinion). Espe...

And ES is a good nuke imo. Not the best anti infantry but still decent in it and just brutal agains vehicles. It can wipe full health sterngaurd. That's pwetty good in my book.... Well there must've been some bad luck for you or you just stood there in it's center taking it like a man :P Or phase s...