Agreed. I can very rarely justify them for the 90/30 cost - especially since if your CSM are near lv 2 then TCSM will soon be getting very very strong. And TCSM help counter bitchy melee heroes (LA/WL/etc) that Chaos struggles to deal with. Inferno bolters have bad damage modifiers against commande...

If I had anything to say in the matter ( Im usually glad I dont ) I'd take away heavy flamer and assault cannon, (those just shouldnt be commander wargear) and give him something that actually makes sense. Like a CombiWeapon or a Powersword. The Terminator TerminatorFC in his curent form just feels...

i still don't get why the bloodcrusher takes so long to build. i get that it's a hold over from retail but no one seems to have brought up why it takes so long to build, just that it takes a long time to build. yes, it was hard to counter in retail with that build time but i think bC made the wrong...

4) Melta kit is only accessible in t3. I'm not saying the melta guns AND the melta bomb need to be available in t2, but 1 of them likely should be (probably just the melta bomb). All 3 chaos heroes struggle against vehicles inherently (especially in early t2), and having an expensive unit that cann...

Do we even have the models for half of that stuff?

I think we're drifting away from the original point here, destructor being too effective against tics, and eldar lacking proper detection.

I always thought the damage on the flamer should be increased, and the damage on cleansing flame decreased, as it is now by the time he gets termi armor and flamer there's nothing much that will be damaged by it, you pretty much get it for the ability alone. My suggestion? Use him as a melee command...

Can somebody tell me what the key combination here is that we are afraid of in terms of chaos being too strong with a reinforcement point? I've been wondering the same thing, it can't honestly be worse than a monstrous creature reinforcing and speeding up your synapse reliant army could it? Unless ...

Nonsense, you hardly see tics in melee starting t2, between more effective counters, repairs worship and capping, let alone doomblast being a concern for anyone by the time a phobos hits the field.

ehh , it is nids we are talking about , they very same race in which a well executed flank with 1 -2 spore mines can very easily wipe out whole squads of heretics / guardsmen etc. splatter / miasma is deadly vs light units , but it should be its a double investment to counter light invantry blobs. ...

Play retail for a while then when you have some experience come to elite, most players here are experienced ones that you won't learn much from when playing against.

You know what they need?

Kneecaps.

The lascannons really need a faster turn rate, because of the way target priority works every time it moves it will change target to infantry and what not, the turrets are slow enough that by the time you're already in rage of that half dead vehicle again you won't have the time to shoot. Anyway it ...

What you're talking about would apply if the wargear would be expensive, unfortunately the whole argument is nullified when you consider the costs on the wargear we're talking about, or the "investment" on the global we're mentiong (as if it would only benefit the ravener, come on now). Ot...

So the RA magically just got all up in a catachan squad and isn't shot to bits first? That's kinda the whole problem for me, he is too mobile, he has various tools to help him get close, towers, speed warger and burrow(not talking specifically about catas), then there's the fact that it is now powe...

If you really want to mention a problem, it's the fact that a great deal of the "control" part of the ability is the time it takes for the unit to land and get up again, making it not very effective if the unit you're using it on is in the middle of a special/sync kill or cannot be lifted,...

I think it's fine, it was too strong in vanilla, maybe it could throw enemies a little farther away, I'd look to other chaos lord wargear instead like daemonic visage, that one needs some help and maul needs a big change, it doesn't currently fit anywhere when you can have claws for 50 req more, you...

Biggest gripe with this ability, the zombies are unupgraded versions of the squad, the global costs too much red, it's not effective against races that have low bleed since it relies on the enemy bleeding to even start showing its effects.

Not so sure how happy I am to make it do passive damage. The way I see it is that the role of the spiky armour is to create a unit that an enemies melee cannot fight, and so this unit can easily engage his key ranged squads. Of course if he is not investing in any melee and rushes suppression then ...

@Ace of Swords: Dunno if you just typo'd but 'Eavy is +900 hp I think Spiky should either: 1) Give a melee damage buff to the WB kinda like Harness of Rage does to the CL, rewarding a Warboss that wants to charge in with Angry Bits and start going after high value targets rather than the very effec...

Melee builds don't work because melee sucks in this game as there are so many ways to deal with it and it causes way more bleed than ranged fighting. Tell that to Ronin Ryuichi, who constantly proved to me melee heavy builds work. He hasn't been playing as much since he graduated, but he was very i...

the fist is hard AV. pdev does hard av damage but is about as reliable as soft av. missile launcher is soft av. Lets do a test, somebody will drive around with a razorback, i want to see how pdev will damage it. If the razorback doesn't change course while the projectile is mid air it will hit it.

Lag wrote:Honestly, I prefer not to have Catas, especially in 3v3 games. What now?

That's a sound argument.

[...]i'm not going to make judgements on how effective they are[...] pdevs do full (and high) damage to vehicle armour; therefore they are AV. Lascannons do full (and very high) damage to infantry armour; therefore they are anti infantry. The only difference is that pdev and nm bm can be used effec...

Never talked about "leading" If you read again you'll notice I was talking about out of combat situations, moving around the map, when you are capping, especially in the early stages of the game you have no way of guessing the warlock position, it's always a lottery, you encountered those ...

@Codex It's obvious we will never agree on rangers, because if you condone something like the hook doing a 50/5 bleed in the manner I explained, we'll never reach an agreement on that, regarding heretics, I'm aware of everything you said, about running heretics in using doomblast etc. If you read my...

The fact remains that Rangers aren't viable against LA, every single flesh hook is a 50/5 free bleed, even assuming you keep the squad at 2/3, wich is common sense most of the time, you can't keep them at 2/3 the whole game right? It's not like hooks are a one time thing, especially with the reduced...

Chaos Terminators can be better supported, Have better upgrades, have lower cost. If you can't understand what Ace said you must be a dumbass Every time I see you post I wonder why no one has banned you yet. You are always plain rude, you don't bring anything to the discussion, and never support yo...

For the love of god someone give this man his power claw.

Thomas suggested looking at LA's hook mechanics maybe, and I agree some ideas should be thrown out there. It can prove to be too effective in some instances (meaning when highly skilled players are playing), when he drags heroes or Sargent's into melee swarms. It can effectively put the hero off th...