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- Mon 18 Feb, 2019 2:20 pm
- Forum: Balance Discussion
- Topic: Why are Ogryns SHI?
- Replies: 29
- Views: 15156
Re: Why are Ogryns SHI?
Why are Ogryns SHI? Because they're as fat as your mom and twice as smart! HEYOOOOO But in more seriousness, it makes them resistant to most normal sources of damage in exchange for being vulnerable to more specialized damages. This is pretty much the opposite of the "core" IG army, so it...
- Mon 18 Feb, 2019 2:19 pm
- Forum: Balance Discussion
- Topic: Do Catachans really need power melee?
- Replies: 35
- Views: 15990
Re: RE: Re: Do Catachans really need power melee?
I don't really see Catas as an overpowered squad. As mentioned before, they need ze powah melee to combat jump squads. The only thing they have that is possibly too good is IED (mostly due to its sight radius). This is not a balance proposal, not complaining about them being op. In what universe ar...
- Mon 18 Feb, 2019 1:11 am
- Forum: Balance Discussion
- Topic: Do Catachans really need power melee?
- Replies: 35
- Views: 15990
Re: Do Catachans really need power melee?
you have literally no arguments at all Of course I do. My arguments (for the high skill players to evaluate) are: 1) It doesn't look right. This obviously concerns game design aesthetics. 2) Most of their utility comes from abilities, so maybe they could do away with power melee. A balance argument...
- Mon 18 Feb, 2019 12:45 am
- Forum: Balance Discussion
- Topic: Why are Ogryns SHI?
- Replies: 29
- Views: 15156
Re: Why are Ogryns SHI?
OceansAteAlaska wrote:I swear some people on these forums have 5 iq...
You?
- Mon 18 Feb, 2019 12:42 am
- Forum: Balance Discussion
- Topic: Do Catachans really need power melee?
- Replies: 35
- Views: 15990
Re: Do Catachans really need power melee?
OceansAteAlaska wrote:I dont know why you dont understand that everything youre suggesting would be a change in balance and thus a balance proposal. Stop insulting people and think before you speak.
Don't bother.
- Mon 18 Feb, 2019 12:39 am
- Forum: Balance Discussion
- Topic: Why are Ogryns SHI?
- Replies: 29
- Views: 15156
Re: Why are Ogryns SHI?
OceansAteAlaska wrote:this is a balance mod simple as that. It's not a "we do what yabbaman wants because he wants it" mod. Simple as that.
you are not doing anything
- Mon 18 Feb, 2019 12:36 am
- Forum: Balance Discussion
- Topic: Do Catachans really need power melee?
- Replies: 35
- Views: 15990
Re: Do Catachans really need power melee?
what kind of argument is that anyway: "I dont want them to do well against jump troops". Well shit what you want is completely irrelevant because thats not what the game is balanced around. That was the argument in the op you dumb fuck. Said it wasn't a balance proposal though, but some m...
- Mon 18 Feb, 2019 12:34 am
- Forum: Balance Discussion
- Topic: Do Catachans really need power melee?
- Replies: 35
- Views: 15990
Re: Do Catachans really need power melee?
All the more reason not to remove their power melee damage and be forced to compensate with an additional ~7 dps per model to keep them effective against HI armour jump troops. I don't want them to do well in melee against HI jump troops. What you want is irrelevant. Go play make a mod for lore-obs...
- Mon 18 Feb, 2019 12:25 am
- Forum: Balance Discussion
- Topic: Why are Ogryns SHI?
- Replies: 29
- Views: 15156
Re: Why are Ogryns SHI?
How can you even call someone out for their suggestions when you yourself suggest infantry armor ogryns because "I want it."? Easy. He seems really into the whole "balance" thing, but I am not proposing this as a balance suggestion. I want it, because it would look right and I a...
- Sun 17 Feb, 2019 11:45 pm
- Forum: Balance Discussion
- Topic: Do Catachans really need power melee?
- Replies: 35
- Views: 15990
Re: Do Catachans really need power melee?
Oddnerd wrote:All the more reason not to remove their power melee damage and be forced to compensate with an additional ~7 dps per model to keep them effective against HI armour jump troops.
I don't want them to do well in melee against HI jump troops.
- Sun 17 Feb, 2019 11:39 pm
- Forum: Balance Discussion
- Topic: Why are Ogryns SHI?
- Replies: 29
- Views: 15156
Re: Why are Ogryns SHI?
Damage types and armour types don't exist to serve the lore. They exist to serve the lore so long as the lore exists to make this universe compelling for the players to experience. Ogryns have SHI armour to make them particularly effective at bullying piercing damage-oriented ranged blobs, but weak...
- Sun 17 Feb, 2019 7:58 pm
- Forum: Balance Discussion
- Topic: PPL say - get a topic. About meta-tyranid these days
- Replies: 49
- Views: 29346
Re: PPL say - get a topic. About meta-tyranid these days
Sex - Murder - Art wrote:Ever toughed, maybe you are wrong?
toughed enoughed
- Sun 17 Feb, 2019 6:26 pm
- Forum: Balance Discussion
- Topic: Why are Ogryns SHI?
- Replies: 29
- Views: 15156
Re: Why are Ogryns SHI?
This is a grossly stupid statement you're making here by the way. Relic introduces these variables as part of their game design. In this case I am very unconvinced that Ogryns should have SHI. This is all this topic is about. If you want a perfectly balanced strategy game go play checkers. It is ca...
- Sun 17 Feb, 2019 5:18 pm
- Forum: Balance Discussion
- Topic: Why are Ogryns SHI?
- Replies: 29
- Views: 15156
Re: Why are Ogryns SHI?
The armour and damage types are not meant to serve the lore, they are meant to balance the game. This is a grossly stupid statement you're making here by the way. Relic introduces these variables as part of their game design. In this case I am very unconvinced that Ogryns should have SHI. This is a...
- Sun 17 Feb, 2019 3:40 pm
- Forum: Balance Discussion
- Topic: Why are Ogryns SHI?
- Replies: 29
- Views: 15156
Re: Why are Ogryns SHI?
Torpid wrote:That is a balance proposal.
No, it is not.
Torpid wrote:i don't see why anyone would ever get them
You see it this way because you've been playing this game for 10 years.
- Sat 16 Feb, 2019 6:11 pm
- Forum: Balance Discussion
- Topic: Terminator FC health regen a bit too high?
- Replies: 19
- Views: 11388
Re: Terminator FC health regen a bit too high?
Or make is teleport no be instantly unlocked?? Like he has accessory options? One is an iron halo to make him tanker but he has no teleport and the other is a teleporter and possibly a cyclone missile launcher for another accessory but still no teleporter?? Or just remove his teleporting stuffs. Bu...
- Sat 16 Feb, 2019 6:02 pm
- Forum: Balance Discussion
- Topic: Do Catachans really need power melee?
- Replies: 35
- Views: 15990
Re: Do Catachans really need power melee?
Sex - Murder - Art wrote:I am just going to remind you that Imperial Guard has no melee squads to use. Well, you have Ogryns, but they are T2.
Thanks.
- Sat 16 Feb, 2019 6:00 pm
- Forum: Balance Discussion
- Topic: Do Catachans really need power melee?
- Replies: 35
- Views: 15990
Re: Do Catachans really need power melee?
I don't really see Catas as an overpowered squad. As mentioned before, they need ze powah melee to combat jump squads. The only thing they have that is possibly too good is IED (mostly due to its sight radius). This is not a balance proposal, not complaining about them being op. In what universe ar...
- Sat 16 Feb, 2019 5:48 pm
- Forum: Balance Discussion
- Topic: Why are Ogryns SHI?
- Replies: 29
- Views: 15156
Re: Why are Ogryns SHI?
They are your fast moving dreadnoughts / shock troops that tear apart everything in their path. This is their concept. That's an interesting concept. SHI armor has 2 good beneifts in my opinion apart from resistance to piercing damage. - Gives resistance to regular melee attack - Requares a smaller...
- Sat 16 Feb, 2019 3:12 pm
- Forum: Balance Discussion
- Topic: Why are Ogryns SHI?
- Replies: 29
- Views: 15156
Re: Why are Ogryns SHI?
I don't think there is much to debate. Right now, Ogryns with a bone 'ead have an effective hp of 6250 against piercing attacks (Base HP / damage modifier = effective HP). 4000 hp infantry armour would be worse in that regard but still a lot of HP. Now look at the damage types that normally are eff...
- Fri 15 Feb, 2019 4:23 pm
- Forum: Balance Discussion
- Topic: Do Catachans really need power melee?
- Replies: 35
- Views: 15990
Re: Do Catachans really need power melee?
It's a way to make them effective against power-armour melee without also being too strong against light infantry. If you wanted them to be sufficiently effective against raptors and ASM without power_melee, you would need to increase their damage to a point where they would now be too effective ag...
- Fri 15 Feb, 2019 4:20 pm
- Forum: Balance Discussion
- Topic: Why are Ogryns SHI?
- Replies: 29
- Views: 15156
Re: Why are Ogryns SHI?
Ogryns fill a similar niche as ASM/raptors - their primary purpose is bullying ranged units. Giving them SHI armour makes them good at bullying piercing damage blobs while having the same vulnerability to power_melee and plasma damage that other tanky melee units have. The armour and damage types a...
- Fri 15 Feb, 2019 2:04 pm
- Forum: Balance Discussion
- Topic: Do Catachans really need power melee?
- Replies: 35
- Views: 15990
Re: Do Catachans really need power melee?
Telos wrote:Just pointing out that dudes wearing vests and headbands beating up armored infantry is in fact lore-friendly
Yes and I acknowledged your response, no need to repeat yourself.
- Fri 15 Feb, 2019 1:05 pm
- Forum: Balance Discussion
- Topic: Why are Ogryns SHI?
- Replies: 29
- Views: 15156
Why are Ogryns SHI?
They don't wear any tangible armor and move too fast. It's incongruous with the presence of terminators, tyrant guards, guos and avatars. Why not give them infantry armor and a larger health pool? Would help them against power melee heavy builds and factions, and look better at the same time with th...
- Fri 15 Feb, 2019 12:53 pm
- Forum: Balance Discussion
- Topic: Do Catachans really need power melee?
- Replies: 35
- Views: 15990
Re: Do Catachans really need power melee?
Telos wrote:Catachan are known to use power weapons lore wise.
Ok.
- Fri 15 Feb, 2019 12:50 pm
- Forum: Balance Discussion
- Topic: Do Catachans really need power melee?
- Replies: 35
- Views: 15990
Re: Do Catachans really need power melee?
Yeah, the kill ASM/raptors/warriors, something that IG struggle with quite badly really. Especially come T2. Come T2 SM/Chaos struggle against Chimera and massive ranged firepower a lot worse and getting ASM/Raptors isn't helping that at all, granted SM is a bit better of with the melta bomb and ro...
- Fri 15 Feb, 2019 1:05 am
- Forum: Balance Discussion
- Topic: Do Catachans really need power melee?
- Replies: 35
- Views: 15990
Do Catachans really need power melee?
It doesn't look right when some dudes wearing vests and headbands beat up armored infantry. Besides, IG T1 feels sufficiently powerful and Catachans get 90% of their utility from abilities. Discuss.
- Fri 25 Jan, 2019 10:57 am
- Forum: Balance Discussion
- Topic: Terminator FC health regen a bit too high?
- Replies: 19
- Views: 11388
Re: Terminator FC health regen a bit too high?
I've always been part of the remove-termi-FC fellowship so I can't really weigh in right here with no bias. However I'd say that the health regen, although meaningful, is quite not the main issue here. I'd rather see an increase in cost for both the upgrade and the repurchase cost, if we insist on ...
- Mon 21 Jan, 2019 7:08 pm
- Forum: Balance Discussion
- Topic: Terminator FC health regen a bit too high?
- Replies: 19
- Views: 11388
Re: Terminator FC health regen a bit too high?
LOCALgHOST wrote:why 3.5 hp/sec for terminator is too high?
Because it's a very strong unit?
- Sun 20 Jan, 2019 3:08 pm
- Forum: Balance Discussion
- Topic: Terminator FC health regen a bit too high?
- Replies: 19
- Views: 11388
Terminator FC health regen a bit too high?
Don't you think so?